Abel & Annie Hilbert
ABEL HILBERT son of Phillip and Lucy Hilbert was b: 28 Apr 1828 in Boxley, Kent, bapt: 25 May at St Mary the Virgin and and d: 24 Sep 1890 in Kennington London aged 61 years.
He mar: by Banns, a bachelor of full age, on 10 May 1852 to ANN SMITH at St Mark, Old Street, Shoreditch, Middsex. Witnesses: - George Mills (brother-in-law) and Elizabeth Smith . Annie was b: 1830 in Windsor, Berks, the daughter of GEORGE SMITH (occ. engine driver) and ELIZABETH YOUNG; Bapt: 04 Jul 1830, St John The Baptist, Windsor, Berks - she d: 03 Mar 1886 in Battersea, Surrey aged 55 yrs.
In 1841 Abel aged 12 years was with his parents High Street, Strood, Kent and in 24 Mar 1851, unmarried, aged 23 years, joined the Metropolitan Police (Shown as Police Trainee in Census a few days later), Warrant No 28616 on the recommendation of Mr. William Foreman and Mr. Stephen Taylor, both of Staplehurst, Kent. As a Police Trainee he lived at the Police Hostel, 41 Blandford Square, Christ Church, Marylebone, London,
On 12 Nov 1851 he resigned this position and rejoined the Metropolitan Police on 9 Feb 1852 with reference to his previous recommendations, Warrant No 29973, joining G (Finsbury) Division. (1860 London Policeman in Uniform)
He was employed from 1852 until 1869 when he retired as a Police Constable in G Division (Finsbury) of Metropolitan Police living at George Street, Pancras, London, in 1861 living at Air Street Hill, Pancras, London then from 1865 -1870 at 19 Kings Cross Road, Pancras, London.
20 Jul 1869 He resigned early with a pension of £35 per annum due to a bite on the hand by a stray dog sustained on duty and possibly causing neuralgia of the gums. This resignation was confirmed on 30th July 1869
DESCRIPTION (on retirement from police - age 41years) Height - 5ft 7.75in, Hair - Dark Brown, Eyes – Hazel, Complexion - Fresh; Marks, etc. Cut on side of mouth
14 Oct 1869 Started work as a porter at the Holborn Union Workhouse at a salary of £40 per annum plus board, lodging and washing, to be paid quarterly in arrears. On one month's notice
From 1869 until 1881 Abel was a Gatehouse Porter of Holborn Union Workhouse which provided the family with accommodation.
The following is a summary with the long headings containing the precise details to be recorded under each heading being summarised:- Place of Residence: 19 Kings Cross Road, Pancras; Age 39; Status Married; Dependent Children 4, resident at above address; Previous Occupation Police; Cause for leaving Resignation on Pension; Date left 23 Jul 1869; Holds office in any other Union? No; Whole Time Yes; Date elected 13 Oct 1869; Commenced duties 14 Oct 1869; Salary proposed £40 Rations/ Emoluments: Board, Lodging and Washing. One month's notice agreed to; Satisfied with testimonials; Cause of vacancy Resignation of James Potter; Signatures of Clerk to Union and Abel; Reported to Poor Law Board for approval - 14 Oct 1869
His children did not seem to like him being a porter at the workhouse. Various forms of employment were given on their marriage certificates, including ‘master of the workhouse’ and "butcher" by Ernest. In the Minutes January to September only for 1870, two references to Mr A. Hilbert, Porter, both for £10 salary, were found amongst salaries for Medical Officers, Chaplains, midwife, nurses and other porters. The dates were 23 Mar 1870 and 29 Jun 1870
From 1886 to 1890 Abel was a Cab Driver living at 113 Upper Kennington Lane, Kennington, London
Notes for ANN SMITH: RESIDENCES 1830 - 1841; Engine House, Datchet Lane, New Windsor, Berks. Father an Engine Keeper; 1865 - 1871; 19 Kings Cross Road, Clerkenwell, London. Shown as Head of House, aged 40 years; 1881; Convict Prison, Carisbrooke, I.O.W., Hampshire, (Visiting with her eldest daughter whose husband was an officer) Her home address was almost certainly 18 Packenham Street, St. Pancras, London. Although Abel was still alive, she described herself as a widow, aged 50 years. and it is believed they had been separated for years and he had lived in at the Holborn Union Workhouse; 1886; 79 Mayrick Road, Battersea, Surrey
6 Mar 1886; Death recorded as a result of a Coroner's Certificate after an inquest. Died of Syncope from a weak heart. Post mortem recorded natural causes. Wife of Abel Hilbert, Cab Driver. Registrar: William GriffinChildren of ABEL HILBERT and ANN SMITH are:
i. SARAH ANN (ANNIE) HILBERT (b. 1853, Clerkenwell, Middx.; d: 1946 in Portsmouth, Hampshire) mar: 4 Jan 1874 in St Jude Parish Church, Grays Inn Rd, Pancras to THOMAS ROBERTS MESSAGE b: 1851, Warbleton, Sussex; (Father Henry Message - occ. carpenter (1810-1891) his mother Sarah Roberts (1824-1908) occ; 1874 Policeman; 1881 Asst. Warder 1881 Convict Prison, Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight - Annie shown as wife of Thomas Message, with 5 children, including a one month old son born in Clerkenwell, Middx., age 27 years - she d: 1928 Portsmouth, Hampshire) Their Children:
i. ANNIE LOUISA MESSAGE, b. Abt. Dec 1874, Pancras; d. Abt. Jun 1958, Dartford.
ii. THOMAS EDWARD
MESSAGE (b. Abt. 1876, Pancras; d. 04 Feb 1939, of St Mary's Hospital
Portsmouth) mar: 1899 AMY MABEL ROAST in Portsmouth.
She was born 1882, and died 23 Jun 1951 in Portdmouth 69 yrs old. Their daughter VERA BEATRICE MESSAGE, b.
iii. BEATRICE MAY
MESSAGE, b. 22 Feb 1879, Pancras; d. 10 Mar 1975, Portdmouth 96 yrs
old iv. FLORENCE EVELYN
MESSAGE (b. Abt. 1880, Lambeth Pancras; d. Abt. Jun 1963, Portsmouth; d:
83) mar. Abt. Sep 1909 to JOHN WILLIAM FARNS,
Portsmouth. v. ROBERT WILLIAM
MESSAGE, b. abt Jun 1881, Clerkenville; d. Abt. Jun 1906, Portsmouth; m.
//. vi. GERTRUDE LILLY
MESSAGE, b. Abt. Dec 1883, Isle of Wight; d. Abt. Jun 1917, Isle of Wight
Yrs vii. MYRTLE LOUISE
MESSAGE, b. Abt. 1886, Isle of Wight; d. Abt. Dec 1956, Gosport aged 71
yrs; m. WILLIAM D BURGESS. viii. ALBERT VICTOR
MESSAGE, b. Abt. Dec 1887, Tavistock, Devon; d. 1888, Tavistock
iii. BEATRICE MAY MESSAGE, b. 22 Feb 1879, Pancras; d. 10 Mar 1975, Portdmouth 96 yrs old
iv. FLORENCE EVELYN MESSAGE (b. Abt. 1880, Lambeth Pancras; d. Abt. Jun 1963, Portsmouth; d: 83) mar. Abt. Sep 1909 to JOHN WILLIAM FARNS, Portsmouth.
v. ROBERT WILLIAM MESSAGE, b. abt Jun 1881, Clerkenville; d. Abt. Jun 1906, Portsmouth; m. //.
vi. GERTRUDE LILLY MESSAGE, b. Abt. Dec 1883, Isle of Wight; d. Abt. Jun 1917, Isle of Wight age 34 Yrs
vii. MYRTLE LOUISE MESSAGE, b. Abt. 1886, Isle of Wight; d. Abt. Dec 1956, Gosport aged 71 yrs; m. WILLIAM D BURGESS.
viii. ALBERT VICTOR MESSAGE, b. Abt. Dec 1887, Tavistock, Devon; d. 1888, Tavistock Devon
ii. ABEL HILBERT, b. 27 Jun 1855, George St, Pancras; Bapt: 29 Jul 1855, Pancras Old Church; d. 06 Sep 1883, Islington, London; mar. 1875 to EMILY CHARLOTTE* SPELLER a Spinster, aged 19 years (Father was Henry Speller, a Dealer in Building Materials and mother Caroline) at St Michaels, Islington .
iii. ELIZABETH FANNY HILBERT, b: 22 Feb 1857, Pancras Old Church; is not with her parents in the 1871 census, when she was 14 years old - possible that she was already training to be a servant; 1881 A Professional Servant, unmarried aged 24 years to Mary Swaine, Head of house St. Nicholas, Guilford Street
iv. LUCY LOUISA HILBERT, b. 16 Feb 1859, George St, Pancras; Bapt: 27 Apr 1859, Pancras Old Church. Lucy d: abt Mar. 1937 at Lumbeth aged 77 yrs.
She mar. by Banns, a Spinster, aged 21 years - Father shown as a Porter on 24 Aug 1879 to ROBERT GROVES occ: Brass Turner, a Bachelor, age 21 yrs at Barnsbury, St Andrews, Islington. Robert b: b: 1857 in St Lukes, Middlesex (his father was Richard Phillip Groves (1821-1911) an Instrument Maker and mother Mary Ann Surry) Robert d: Mar Q 1933 Islington. Their children:
v. NATHAM WALTER HILBERT, b. 17 Jul 1861, Air Street Hill, Pancras; Bapt: 01 Sep 1861, Pancras Old Church; Occ: 1881 Assistant Sorter in G.P.O. unmarried, aged 19 years d. Abt. 1899, Edmonton aged 37 yrs.
vi. CATHERINE HILBERT, b. 24 Jul 1863, Clark's Place, Pancras (Father shown as a Police Officer) Bapt: 27 Sep 1863, Pancras Old Church; d. 1864, Pancras Old Church.
vii. GEORGE FREDERICK HILBERT, b. 02 Jun 1865, Grays Inn Lane, Pancras; 4th July 1865 Father, a Police Constable, registered birth at Grayston Lane, Pancras; d. 07 Dec 1932, Islington, London aged 67 yrs
George, a bachelor, aged 22 yrs. (Father shown as a Cab driver) mar: by Banns 1887 to JANE AGNES (JENNY) ELLIS, daughter of JAMES ELLIS and AMELIA WINKLES at St. Mary's, Princes Road, Lambeth. Witnesses: George William Abrams and Lydia Albena Hilbert
Jenny was b; 02 Feb 1866 in St Mary, Birmingham, Warwick; bapt: 9 Apr 1866 St Georges, Birmingham; (her parents James Richard Ellis (1836-1917) occ: Engineer and mother Amelia Winkles (1839-1906). Jenny d: 28 Mar 1947 in Camberwell.
George Hilbert in 1865 - 1871 lived at 19 Kings Cross Road, Clerkenwell, London; in 1881 was an errand boy living at 18 Pakenham Street, St. Pancras, London; 1887 his occ: Stone Grinder, living at 2 Doris Place, Lambeth, Surrey; 1888 occ; Printers Labourer living at 18 Vauxhall Walk, Lambeth, Surrey; 1891 je was a Painter and decorator living at 12 Wilmington Place, Clerkenwell, London with his wife, Jane and daughters Jane and Alma; Their marriage broke up (they did not divorce) In 1901 George was a House Decorator living at 58 Margaret Street, Clerkenwell, London; 1931 Carpenter; 1932 a Builder's Labourer living at 77a Highgate Hill, Islington, London.
George and Jenny Hilbert's children were:
viii. LYDIA ALBENIA HILBERT (b. 27 Aug 1867, Grays Inn Lane, Pancras; Bapt: 29 Dec 1867, St Pancras, Middlesex; d. 23 May 1903, London. Bur St Pancras Cem. Finchley in her 36th year.)
She mar: 25 Dec 1895 by Banns, a Spinster, age 28 years (her father shown as deceased Constable) to HARRY WALLACE ELLIS at St Phillips, Clerkenwell. Witnesses: Ernest Hilbert, Sergt 2 / E.L.R. and Jane Agnes Hilbert
Harry was b: 07 Mar 1864 in Birmingham, Warwickshire; Bapt: 09 Apr 1966, St Georges, Birmingham son of JAMES RICHARD ELLIS occ: Engineer (1836-1917) and AMELIA WINKLES(1839-1906) (Harry's sister Jane Ellis mar; his wifes brother Geo Frederick Hilbert) Harry occ: labourer - caretaker. In 1901 shown as aged 37 years, married and born Aston, Warwick, but living in 144 St John Street Road, Clerkenwell, St Marks, (Central Finsbury Borough), with wife and 2 children
Their 2 daughters: LILLIAN AMELIA ELLIS, b. Abt. 1897 and GERTRUDE ELAINE ELLIS, b. Abt. 1899.
After Lydia's death 1903, Harry Ellis remarried in Jun 1906 to widow MARGARET CHAPMAN at Hackney, Middlesex.
Margaret's first mar: in 1886 at St Anne Poole's Park, Islington, Middlesexwas to John Brown, Bachelor, Aged 26, Carpenter To Margaret Chapman, Spinster, Aged 21. Fathers; William Brown Deceased And Harry Chapman, Miller In Presence Of William Muller and Vashte Chapman. They had 7 children - John H Brown 1888; Mary V Brown 1890; William Brown 1892; Frank L Brown 1896; Margaret Brown 1900; Sidney Victor Brown 1901; Ellen E Brown 1904
Harry and Margaret's daughter MABEL CLARA ELLIS was b: 1908 Stoke Newington, London
ix ERNEST EDWARD HILBERT was b: 20 Feb 1870 in Grays Inn Lane, Pancras (birth registeed only as "Ernest"; 1871 at 19 Kings Cross Road, Clerkenwell, London; 1881 at 18 Pakenham Street, St. Pancras, London. He d: 06 Oct 1939 in Preston Lancs. where he was bur Oct 10.
1887 Enlisted in Army, made a Corporal in 1890 and rose to the rank of Quartermaster Sergeant; 1894 With 2nd Batt. East Lancs Regt, Gibraltar before retiring in 1912 when he was a Hotel and Restaurant Employee. In 1914 was recalled to army as Lieutenant, and rose via Captain to Brevet Major and 1919 he retired from the Army for 2nd time
He mar: (1) 22 Jan 1894 by Banns in the King's Chapel, Gibraltar, a bachelor aged 25 years and 3 months. At his wedding to Ann Cross, Ernest gave his father Abel Hilbert's occ: as a butcher, which he never was and his father was not recorded as deceased - his uncle Frederick Britt Hilbert was a pork butcher, so he may have been raised by this uncle, being the youngest in the family. Witnesses: J. Harding and ANN CROSS in Gibralter. She was born Abt. 1873 to father John Cross, a blacksmith. Children of Ernest Edward and his *1st Wife Ann Hilbert nee Cross:
Widower Ernest Edward Hilbert (2nd mar:) on 27 Oct 1910 by banns at St James church, Preston to ROSALIND (Rose) GARLAND, daughter of FREDERICK GARLAND occ; fellmonger, and ELLEN PINDARD. Witnesses; Ernest Garland and Mary Ross. Rosalind was b: 29 Mar 1890 in Preton Lancs, occ: weaver; prior to her mar. was Nanny to the children of Ernest and Ann; she was a widow when she d: 6 Apr 1955, bur: in Preston Cemetery, Lancs aged 65 years.
1914 Rose purchased Grave No JJ 375 CE in Preston Cemetery for the burial of her son, Nathan Philip. 1939 Her husband was interred with their son in this grave.
Will Transcript: Letters of Administration applied for on 6 Apr. 1955 and granted on 22 Jun.1955 in London. In the High Court of Justice, The Principal Probate Registry.
BE IT KNOWN that ROSALIND HILBERT otherwise ROSE HILBERT of 439, Leyland Road, Penwortham, near Preston, Lancashire died there on the 6th day of April 1955, intestate, a widow AND BE IT FURTHER KNOWN that at the date hereunto written Letters of Administration of all the estate which by law devolves to and vests in the personal representative of the said intestate were granted by the High Court of Justice at the Principal Probate Registry thereof to FLORENCE WAREING of 27 Brookfield Drive, Fulwood, Preston wife of John Wareing and KENNETH HILBERT of 439 Leyland Road, Penwortham, aforesaid laboratory assistant, the lawful children and two persons entitled to share in the estate of the said intestate. Dated the 22nd day of June 1955.Children of ERNEST HILBERT and ROSALIND GARLAND are:
i. EDWARD A HILBERT, b. 1911, Preston; d. 1911, Preston.
ii. FLORENCE M HILBERT, b. Aug 1912, Preston; m. 1932 to JOHN WARING, Preston, Lancs. Went to Canada iii. FREDERICK S HILBERT, b. Abt. Dec 1913, Preston; d. Abt. Jun 1914, Preston.
iv. ALBERT EDWARD (EDDIE) HILBERT, (b. Apr 1915, Preston; d. 1955, Sheffield, Yorks) mar: 1940 to Lily Pearson (b: 12 Dec 1910; d: May 1996 Sheffield, Yorks) Their family are:
v. NATHAM PHILLIP* HILBERT, b. Jul 1919, Preston Lancs; occ: 1940 Driver in the R.A.S.C.; d. 11 Sep 1940, Chester. Died aged 21years, killed in an accident whilst acting as an outrider to a military cavalcade. Army Number 139305. He was buried 14 Sep 1940 in Preston (New Hall Lane) Cemetery, Lancashire - Grave 375 - Sec.J.J. Church of England
vi. KENNETH HILBERT b: 8 Oct 1929 in Preston Lancs; occ; motor salesman; Mar: Preston, Lancs to Marian Cronan. their family: (they div: 1973)
x. ALICE EMILY HILBERT, (b. 1873, Pancras) Mar: 22 Sep 1895 by Banns, a Spinster, age 22 years. Father, a deceased Police Constable to GEORGE DRAKE ( occ: Coachman) at St Phillip Clerkenwell; a bachelor, aged 22 years. His father, John Drake, a deceased Carpenter; Witnesses:- Charles Walker and Charlotte Polley